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Sorry, that is a common shorthand way of representing a not necessarily fixed path. It was not meant to be entered literally. If Soundloom has been copied to the main Applications folder, the path would be simply:

xattr -rc /Applications/soundloomE.app

or if it has been copied to the main cdpr8/_cdp folder in your home directory:

xattr -rc ~/cdpr8/_cdp/soundloomE.app

(the tilde character ~ is a standard shell shorthand for your home directory. It is very useful in this sort of situation so that we don't have to guess what your account name might be, and add to the general confusion. But to complete the picture by typing the path in full, lets say my account name is Carnamagos:

xattr -rc /Users/Carnamagos/cdpr8/_cdp/soundloomE.app

the other way to complete such a command, especially if the target app is several levels down, is to type the command (plus the space):

xattr -rc

and drag the icon of the app to the open Terminal window: the Mac will then add the full path to the command line. This works for any file or folder. Windows does much the same on a PC.

I hope that someone will still see and reply to this thread, to which I have been referred.

This command does not work for me. Here is what I get when I type it into the Terminal:

Last login: Mon Nov 18 16:13:13 on ttys000
[user name] ~ % xattr -rc /path/to/soundloomE.app
xattr: No such file: /path/to/soundloomE.app
[user name]~ %

It's there. Why can't the Terminal find it?

The problem is that my Terminal appears to be completely broken. It was telling me I needed to run a particular command to change to the zsh shell, but then, when I run that command, it tells me "command not found". I then entered the command into the Terminal settings, but then when I launched the Terminal, it requested a password to change to zsh, yet won't allow me to enter anything. What's more, it won't allow me to enter any other Terminal commands.

I realize that this is not a CDP problem. Trouble is, Apple technical support won't help with this, either. So, I suppose I am stuck!

Thank you, anyway.

This thread might help

https://unstablesound.net/cdpforum/index.php?topic=267.0

How did you even manage to get Sound Loom installed and working on a Mac? I am still stuck at the "'soundloom'" is damaged and can't be opened. You should move it to the Trash" stage! Sorry to be off the topic of the thread here, but I'd be seriously grateful for any advice as to how you succeeded in doing that.

Well, when a handful of mega corps own it all from stealing everything we can demand a UBI or they lose their heads. Then we can kick back and make music all day.

Anyway, I don't agree with you, rwdobson. Ive been using Claude.ai, and Perplexity.ai to build full on standalone supercollider apps. It get something wrong and you tell it the error you have a full on app after working out the kinks. Im at basic level skill in sc. Yeah, It's not fair, but you know, the geniuses that can code all these amazing apps. I go and listen to their stuff and it is invariably awful. I have yet to hear a musical talent who also is the programmer extraordinaire. So, maybe lowering the barrier to entry to apps like cdp and SC to actual artists might give us better music. Yeah, I seriously doubt it took Claude or prox.ai "thousands or even milions of person-hours" to learn Supercollider. An app that no one cares about it.

I see a lot of bad mouthing of Ai mostly from people in Tech. All of a sudden they are luddites, ironically,  You know full well the hands with 20 fingers will have normal fingers in less than 10 months. Ai will be designing a better flute for you in your old age. It is not going away. If we know anything it is that tech improves at an exponential rate. Or whatever Moore's law is. Hell of a lot better than the medical world, sadly.
Maybe people are scared I don't know.

With the help of CHAT GPT, I tried to break down the peculiarities related to the texture and had it generate a couple of randomized files following the rules. Additionally, I found it very interesting to create a sort of data entry training, getting GPT to clarify the concepts that were less clear. I then made the 3D model available for consultation. I'm not sure if it will be useful to anyone, but I'm sharing the URL here.


https://chatgpt.com/share/672cb3b1-db68-800c-b81d-c48ce1ac1ec6

There is also an AI elephant in this imaginary room and somewhat philosophically challenging.

Is it acceptable for AI bots to run round scraping other artist work without payment ?

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/oct/22/thom-yorke-and-julianne-moore-join-thousands-of-creatives-in-ai-warning

The challenge in doing such a thing lies in the requirement to "Teach it CDP". LLMs are trained over literally billions of image and text examples trawled from the internet. I doubt if there is anything like enough examples of a working CDP command line on the net to do the job. It could be something a Computer Science department at a university might fancy as a research project. Part of the problem lies in the critical evaluation stage. Given a "correct" command line, one person listens to the output and says "that's it", while another might say "no that's not it at all".

As a side example of the challenge: I am a flute player, and I see from time to time examples of AI-generated images showing a person playing a flute. It is all in photo-realistic full-colour 3D. But in literally all the cases I have seen, none of the flutes matches what a flute actually looks like, and could not possibly work. Some don't even have a mouthpiece. Others assume the player has 20 fingers. But they look, well, plausible as images. Training an AI to "do CDP" may be an even harder task, and generating a sufficient data set for it could, alone, takes thousands or even milions of person-hours.

That said, a few people well versed in Csound have got ChatGPT to generate correct working Csound instruments (albeit simple ones) -  because there is a lot of Csound text available online for ChatGPT to work with, not least in large textbooks such as "The Csound Book". I would say that across the whole extent of the CDP online documentation and tutorials, there is probably less than 0.0001% of the examples an AI would need!

The approach I would suggest might be the most likely to succeed would be to create a script for a single CDP process, that can algorithmically generate variations on a working command line (start simply - no external breakpoint files!). Unix shell scripts have all the language elements one would need for this. Run each one, and score them based on a chosen evaluation criterion (or multiple criteria?). Perhaps if this data set is passed to an AI, it can generate new good command lines for that process based on input criteria. Sounds like an idea for a PhD to me!

Thank you so much for the detailed response!
In effects for now, the only way to make some strings work (I tried from the terminal shell and not Sound Loom) has been to copy all the configuration files from _cdpatch to _cdp.
I'll start by transferring the also the _cdpins directories as suggested and will keep an eye on the Windows paths. I'll also check the "htmltuts" documentation for more insight. I truly appreciate your advice, and I look forward to any additional information or downloadable files you may provide.

In the meantime, I'd like to share my latest work. All the sound design here was created using Composer Desktop / Sound Loom. It's great to know there's still someone providing support for this incredible set of tools.

https://on.soundcloud.com/2cALd4UwCxDx1eoT7

Thanks again, emiliano:)